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My first reaction when hearing about this project, like that of many people, was "why do another movie of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? What was wrong with the other one?" I actually paid to see this one, so I guess that's one answer. Tim Burton labors mightily to find some others, and he's partly successful.

There are two threads in this movie. One is an extremely faithful adaptation of Roald Dahl's book, much more faithful in the incidental details than the 1971 Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory. The other (replacing the 1971 movie's added subplot about Slugworth and Charlie) is an attempt to humanize Willy Wonka and give him background and motivations. He's a cadaverous loon who lives in a magical chocolate factory with Oompa-Loompas because of his sad childhood. Johnny Depp gives it his all, as usual, and the end of the movie sells it pretty well, but I'm still not sure it was a good idea; Gene Wilder was actually closer to the heart of Dahl's Wonka, a devilish, deadpan character who always knows exactly what he's doing. This part of Burton's movie provides an excuse to put Christopher Lee in, anyway, and that can't be bad.

I heartily approved of other changes. This movie can finally do justice to the horrible Veruca Salt's comeuppance. The scene is really scary, making up for the considerably toned-down boat-tunnel sequence (no Un Chien Andalou references here, though they reference a lot of other things elsewhere). And instead of those somewhat insipid Newley and Bricusse songs, this one has Roald Dahl's own lyrics set to well-done pop parodies by Danny Elfman. And you can never have too much Deep Roy.

Like the 1971 movie, this one does bring out the meanness in Dahl's silly morality story, which, while it's helped by vastly entertaining execution, is really a spiritual descendant of those awful 19th century didactic tales Mark Twain used to parody, about unbelievably saintly kids getting rewarded and naughty ones punished in defiance of all laws of logic. I've always thought it's a little too hard on Augustus Gloop in particular; though the Burton movie does portray him as ungenerous at one moment, mostly he's just an aesthete who is slightly too enthusiastic. I suppose that, compared to the others, he doesn't come out too badly in the end.

Date: 2005-07-24 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
...Besides, we all know that Willy Wonka is actually a marooned Time Lord, and the subtext of Dahl's sequel Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator is that his broken-down Type 29 TARDIS is almost back in full working order.

Date: 2005-07-25 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hemlock-martini.livejournal.com
That's the book I read without ever having read or seen Chocolate Factory. I do recall picturing Wonka as a sort of proto-Who, Baker scarf and all.

I almost hope Burton does this one too. I think today's youth deserve to be terrified of Vermicious Knids.

Date: 2005-07-25 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
They'd have to do some rewriting to update the mildly satirical bits about President Lancelot R. Gilligrass (sort of a Dr. Strangelove for kids, as I recall).

Date: 2005-07-25 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunburn.livejournal.com
First of all, rename him Lancelot W. Link. Because subtlety is lost art.

Date: 2005-07-26 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Speaking of unsubtlety, this movie has an extended, sledgehammer-overt 2001: A Space Odyssey joke in the Wonkavision scene. It's a joke I've never shied from pulling myself, recently even, but they drag it out a little too long. The Mel Stuart movie was already making surrealistic fun of the Kubrick-derived antiseptic science fiction style in its version of the scene (while at the same time more or less literally visualizing what Dahl wrote). Burton's version just nudges the older members of the audience in the ribs repeatedly (it was probably also intended as a jokey reference to his own Planet of the Apes remake; he puts Easter-eggy references to his previous films in a couple of other places too).

There's also a moment near the beginning that should elicit cries of "Simpsons did it!" (Immediately following "Shrek did it"...)

Date: 2005-07-24 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunburn.livejournal.com
Oh, sure, so the Doctor isn't the only one. What's next, they bring back the Daleks, which weren't destroyed after all?


Ah, so that's your game.

Date: 2005-07-25 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
I have occasional evil urges to write Doctor vs. Wonka fanfic. (As opposed to Doctor-slash-Wonka fanfic, which almost certainly already exists, especially given that he's Johnny Depp now.)

Date: 2005-07-25 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunburn.livejournal.com
I shudder to contemplate the slash story codes, especially once the Oompah Loompas get involved. (M/M/ooooooo+) The good news is that, such a slash writer wouldn't have to go so amazingly far out of her way to get them all covered in chocolate, compared to most stories.

(I don't like slash in general, but, disappointingly, fanfic from the various age-of-sail fandoms, my interest, has a much higher ratio of slash to non-slash than any other fandom, possibly because they're entirely populated by male characters, apart from the distant, 1-dimensional wife, mistress, or honeytrap spy. Write some adventures, people!)

As for your fic, though-- what sort of candy-tastic peril will Rose (or whichever sidekick to your preferred Doctor) find herself in?

Date: 2005-07-26 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Usually I rid myself of the impulse before speculation gets that far.

Date: 2005-07-26 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
...Also there's the problem that the Sylvester McCoy serial The Happiness Patrol already hit a bit too close to this for comfort.

Date: 2005-07-27 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samantha2074.livejournal.com
I shudder to contemplate the slash story codes, especially once the Oompah Loompas get involved. (M/M/ooooooo+) The good news is that, such a slash writer wouldn't have to go so amazingly far out of her way to get them all covered in chocolate, compared to most stories.

Matt will attest to the fact that this made me laugh out loud.

Slash is trendy. I get kind of tired of it at times. Heck, I often get plain tired of any shippiness, het or slash. Sometimes people really are just friends. The new DW brought with it a boatload of shippy fics. Not that I mind it in small doses, but the onslaught got to be too much.

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