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People quoted as saying "If you want to send a message, use Western Union":

Samuel Goldwyn
Louis B. Mayer (frequently spelled "Meyer")
Harry Cohen (or possibly Cohn)
Darryl Zanuck
Jack Warner
Either Jack Warner or Samuel Goldwyn
Harry Warner

Slightly further afield:

D. W. Griffith
George S. Kaufman
A well-known screenwriter
Irving Berlin

Further still:

Jane Yolen, science-fiction author
Benjamin S. Lambeth, air-warfare analyst for the RAND Corporation

This attribution to David Lee Roth is probably not implying originality on Roth's part, but I'm not so sure about this one.

The most believable attribution I've found is this one to producer Joe Pasternak, since it refers to an original article in which he's being quoted directly, and the phrase doesn't seem to have yet achieved its canonical form:
"I should blow $2,000,000 to send a message?" cries the happy Hungarian. "Western Union is cheaper!"

Date: 2006-01-16 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
An old page on Suck (http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/04/11/1.html) says that Rex Reed said that it was from George Bernard Shaw.

Date: 2006-01-16 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
...And here's an attribution to Frank Capra (http://godspy.com/culture/Why-Do-Heathens-Make-the-Best-Christian-Films-by-Thom-Parham.cfm).

Date: 2006-01-16 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
And this one suggests Goldwyn's publicist Pete Smith. (http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/awadmail149.html)

Date: 2006-01-16 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
And here it is attributed to Kit Reed (http://www.littere.com/narrative/madd_file/quills.htm).

Date: 2006-01-16 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Cecil B. De Mille (http://www.nightshadebooks.com/discus/messages/378/3473.html?1101290793), of course.

Date: 2006-01-16 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Ernest Hemingway (http://web.mit.edu/gtmarx/www/geis.html).

Date: 2006-01-16 09:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
A good book on quote drift that I often recommend Nice Guys Finish Seventh by Ralph Keyes.

Date: 2006-01-17 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/erasmus__/
so, like, what catalyzed your curiousity in this?

Quote drift one-up-manship?

Date: 2006-01-17 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Oh, [livejournal.com profile] samantha2074 saw the line quoted somewhere without attribution, and I said I thought it originated with Louis B. Mayer, then looked it up and quickly saw that it wasn't that clear.

Date: 2006-01-17 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitter-ninja.livejournal.com
The recent biography Goldwyn does claim he said it but, if I recall correctly, they didn't pointedly attribute the original quote to him. I would suspect Goldwyn got it from somewhere else, and by the time he used it the saying was apparently a cliche.

Date: 2006-01-18 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
All these movie-mogul attributions suggest that it might have been a common industry catchphrase prior to the Pasternak quote. In which case its actual origin is probably lost.


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